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Interview with Eric Ebbinghaus Part 2

Eric Ebbinghaus

3.  What’s the biggest challenge in pastoring at a large church?

Again, I’m gonna give you a couple since I think 1 “BIGGEST” challenge is an unfair question. Let me preface my challenges by saying I absolutely love working in a “Team Staff” type setting. We have 7 full-time directors here at GWC that work closely together on a daily and weekly basis. Knowing myself, my creative energy feeds heavily off working collaboratively in a group setting. I know if I’m thinking at my best it’s being done with a team. It only usually takes the pump being primed with one simple thought and it’s off to the races. That’s part of the curse of living with a supremely ADD brain.

The team setting does present a few challenges. Scheduling can be one of them. With so many departments all working simultaneously with support staff in each it’s very important we work collectively and not just in spite of each other. While we do work well as a team, failure to communicate can surprisingly result in the failure of all ministry areas, not just one. If one is succeeding, we all are.

We also have something I like to call the “Volunteer Myth.” Everyone automatically assumes the larger a church is, the larger a crop of people you have to draw from to take part in your ministries. Right? Yes and no. Yes in terms of face value. Technically there are more people overall to draw from. But the answer is often no in terms of who visits your church. Large churches are often painted with the brush of being a safe place to visit where you can fade into the background and preserve a certain amount of anonymity in order to evade possible recruiters. I would argue that this is true of all churches regardless of size. We pride ourselves at being a “small large church” where the leaders are easily accessible and getting plugged in to a ministry is easy. But, it’s often not as easy as it sounds. It takes real work, and in a youth ministry where our main weekly service is on Sunday mornings during second worship service, it means my recruiting work becomes significantly more complicated and challenging. This leads to my next thought…

Multiplying myself is absolutely essential. If I had to give a biggest challenge of working in a large church this is it. It is impossible to do my job well without handing things off and recruiting people to do so. Handing it off has come easier the more evident the need has become, finding new volunteers to do so hasn’t been quite as easy. Remember, the bigger the church, the bigger the children’s ministry is. Typically infants-5th grade ministries require more volunteers. It’s their nature. Bottom line is, Childrens ministry is a much less scary one to volunteer for than youth ministry, right? Well, at least that’s what the perception is. The challenge here is not competing with this ministry to find volunteers AND battling the temptation of recruiting from within, though some naturally make the change as their own children grow older. This also means that you’re recruiting from a pond that’s been pretty heavily fished. It takes a growing church to provide fresh people to recruit from.

Part 1 of the interview is here and Part 3 will be up later today.

Eric Ebbinghaus is the Director of Student Ministries at Greeley Wesleyan Church in Greeley, CO.

He blogs at www.ericebbinghaus.com.

Follow him on Twitter.

Check out the church website.

Interview with Eric Ebbinghaus Part 1

Eric Ebbinghaus

5 Questions with Eric Ebbinghaus, Student Ministries Director, Greeley Wesleyan Church

1.  How long have you been at Greeley and how did God open that door for you?

We’ve been  in Greeley for approximately 1 year this November. Hard to believe it’s already been that long with the way the church has opened up to us and accepted us as one of their own.

God’s grace is amazing. Brandi (my wife) and I found ourselves talking to Pastor Steve Wilson about the position here at a point in our lives where we had just endured 3 years of trying to understand where my exact place in ministry needed to be.

Did I still belong in youth ministry?

Did I still belong in ANY ministry?

Should I take some time away and try some other things?

10 weeks after resignation and finding it nearly impossible to find work of any kind, Pastor Steve made contact again to ask if we might still be interested in making Greeley our home. He flew out to meet us, offered the job and gave us the weekend to think and pray about it. We didn’t need the whole weekend! In fact, after a restless night of sleep, we barely even needed 24 hours! Something Brandi had said earlier in the summer kept coming back to us. She had expressed during the summer that we would make our permanent home here but didn’t know when, and didn’t think it would be right then. Sure enough, she was right. After 11 weeks with no work and 13 weeks without pay, we watched God provide for our family. One year later, we’re more excited about being here than we were when we arrived. If that’s possible :).

2.  You were in Missouri for several years.  What are some differences between Missouri and Colorado?

The differences are few but they are evident. One such difference is the sheer number of schools we have to work with. In a smaller community and different school system style I had approximately 3 schools with middle school and high school programs to work with. Here I have over a dozen including some separate middle and high schools. Aside from the numerical difference in schools, we’ve got a broader category of schools to choose from. Along with your run of the mill public school system, we have charter schools, which could briefly be described as an experimental public school, prep schools, private schools and a large home-schooled group. While these may not necessarily be MO vs. CO differences, they are certainly identified as differences from one community to the next.

Another is population diversity. Semi-rural/metro St. Louis, Missouri area was predominantly white, with some black and a sprinkling of Latino/Hispanic groups. Greeley is roughly 60% white, 35% Spanish speaking, and a 5% mixture of others. Simply put, the cultural differences are drastically contrasting here, making blending in our programs more of a challenge. Socioeconomic differences are more severe, and while both areas have been hit hard, Greeley’s recession decline has been a bit more hostile than Eastern MO with 45% of homes bought between 2005 and 2009 resulting in foreclosure.

Lastly, and possibly the hardest to swallow as a Christian pastor is, there is no “need” for church here. Confusing? This is the furthest I’ve ever lived from “Bible-belt” (sorry if that sterotype offends) areas. Despite the differences in attitude from Midwestern VS. Western personalities, lie the differences in the influence of the church. Being that this area of the US hasn’t been established as long as those areas further east means the impact of the church has had less time to saturate the area and the church itself wasn’t around when “American Christianity” was at its peak of influence. This could be viewed as both an extreme challenge and a blessing as well. While people’s answer to struggles and depravity is less commonly, “I need to get myself back into church,” the answers more usually revolve around finding ways to get things done on their own or with the help of others rather than enlist in God’s help. We less often see people looking to God for help when they find struggles or are in need, even the needy. It’s not natural, or in the back of the mind. It definitely rings true though that the harvest is plentiful and the workers INDEED are few.

It’s amazing to think that people who live within view of some of the most incredible mountains in North America fail to recognize the existence of the Creative Starter of it all. Oh, did I mention Colorado has mountains? THE mountains?! Living at almost 5,000 feet has definitely been quite a change, more than just geographically.

Parts 2 and 3 to this interview will be up later today.

Eric Ebbinghaus is the Director of Student Ministries at Greeley Wesleyan Church in Greeley, CO.

He blogs at www.ericebbinghaus.com.

Follow him on Twitter.

Check out the church website.


Episode 46-What’s Your Social Media Strategy?

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10 Free Ways to Support Your Favorite Blogs

Sometimes people are leary of clicking ads and affiliate links or purchasing products they see on blogs.  Blogging is fun if your doing something your passionate about, but it’s a lot of time and effort to build it.  Most bloggers quit.  I was going through a list of Wesleyan blogs the other day and found that most of them were no longer there or hadn’t been updated in over a year.  The first blog I ever started had one post.  I don’t even remember where it is.  I got fired up about something, wrote about it, and posted it for the world to see.  Then I went back to my life.  I don’t even know if anyone read it.  I’ve learned a lot about life and blogging since then.  Here are some cool and free ways you can support your favorite blogs, keep them going, and help other people find them.

1.  Install the Alexa toolbar or status bar. Here’s a little about them and their partnership with Amazon.  Why do this?  Alexa ranks websites based on traffic and visits made to the site by people using the Alexa toolbar.  For example, when I first started Chase Your Lion dot com it was unranked by Alexa.  Now, I’m ranked #937,145 out of all the sites in the world(google is #1).  Alexa helps people find out more about sites while providing site owners with valuable information that will help them reach their target audience more effectively.  I have the status bar and it takes less than 10 seconds to download and install on your browser.

2.  Comment on posts.  Whether you agree or disagree with what’s said please join the discussion.  Sometimes, as a blogger, it’s just nice to know someone’s reading.

3.  Subscribe to the feed.  Look for this symbol .  This insures you don’t miss any posts.  Many blogs also allow you to sign up for email updates/newsletters.  This normally requires you to confirm your subscription and doesn’t lead to spam.  My feed is located on the handy dandy toolbar at the bottom.

4.  Tweet it!  Most blogs now have the option for you to tweet/retweet their posts.  This is kind gesture that shows your reading and that you feel others would benefit from the post.  The button is normally located beside the post title.

5.  Share It!  There are lots of other places to share posts!  Facebook, Digg, et.  I have a share/save button with each post.  It’s quick and easy to get the word out about your favorite posts.

6.  Link Love.  If you have a blog of your own then write about and link to posts you’ve been reading.  Incoming links give a blog credibility and help generate buzz and discussion.  I don’t recommend the blog roll and here’s why.  How many people on your blog roll actually keep up with their blogs?  What does it say to your readers that you’re linking to people who may have dead sites and old news?  Plus, adding a link in a post gives a more personal stamp of approval.

7.  Join the Facebook page/community.  The wibiya toolbar has a button for people to join my Facebook group.  It’s quick and shows your support.  There’s also a place for more discussion there.  No, I will not ask for your help with Farmville or other Facebook games.

8.  Word of Mouth.  I’ve tried to make my domain names easy to remember and easy to share.  If a blog has been helpful to you then it might be helpful to others.  Share the love.  PS: I even bought a domain with a common misspelling of my last name so people looking for Heath Mulliken will actually find Heath Mullikin.

9.  Give suggestions.  Does my layout make your head spin?  Is stuff too hard to find?  Is there an herb you’ve found that will help a person get taller?

10.  Last but not least…pray.  Pray for bloggers to have wisdom and integrity in what they write.  Pray for their families.  Pray for their health.  Pray for their churches and ministries.  Pray that God uses the words they write to make a difference.

Thanks for your support!  Blogging buddies, what did I leave out?

Currently Reading:

94725: Lost Art of Disciple Making Lost Art of Disciple Making

By LeRoy Eims

“Every believer in Jesus Christ deserves the opportunity of personal nurture and development,” says LeRoy Eims.But all too often the opportunity isn’t there. We neglect the young Christian in our whirl of programs, church services and fellowship groups. And we neglect to raise up workers and leaders who can disciple young believers into mature and fruitful Christians.

In simple, practical, and biblical terms, LeRoy Eims revives the lost art of disciple making. He explains:

  • How the early church discipled new Christians
  • How to meet the basic needs of a growing Christian
  • How to spot and train potential workers
  • How to develop mature, godly leaders

“True growth takes time and tears and love and patience,” Eims states. There is no instant maturity. This book examines the growth process in the life of a Christian and considers what nurture and guidance it takes to develop spiritually qualified workers in the church.

Currently Listening:

CD8263: Ocean Eyes CD Ocean Eyes CD

By Owl City

From the quiet backroads of small-town Minnesota comes Owl City, the one-man project of keyboard wiz Adam Young. Ocean Eyes is awash in breezy electronics, light melodies, and crisp, sparkling textures, and includes the single “Fireflies” plus “Hello Seattle,” “Umbrella Beach,” “Vanilla Twilight,” and more.

Speed Reading 2.0

If you’re going to grow as a person and a leader then reading great books should be an essential part of your growth. I have recently started reading with a new method that I wanted to share with you. There were 2 things I wanted to accomplish with this method.
1. Read faster
2. Take notes that are easy to scan through
There are 4 things in a book that make this process work: Chapter Headings, sub-headings, lists, and quotes. First, let me say that this method will not work with every type of book. This won’t work with a novel. I’ve found that most business, leadership, and growth books have all of the above.
Get the book you’re reading and a notebook. On a fresh page, write the Title and Author. Next, find chapter 1 and wirte it down along with it’s heading. All you’re going to do is scan the pages looking for key words that catch your eye(these depend on what and why you’re reading), subheadings, quotes, and lists. I typically write down all subheadings and lists. I write down quotes only if they’re truly memorable and something I could use in a sermon or a post. So, your page would look something like this(but hopefully with better handwriting):

Your amount of notes will depend on the format of the book and the length of the book. For example, I have 3 pages of notes from Crush It, and 12 pages of notes from The 4 Hour Work Week. I liked the books equally, but one of them had more lists and sub headings so I took more notes.
The most important thing to remember is to enjoy the book. If you get a chapter in and it’s not doing much for you then put it down and move on to something else. Also, don’t feel like you have to finish every book you read. Are you getting out of the book what you were hoping?
For me, this was born out of a desire to learn and grow without feeling overwhelmed. I also am trying to live by a set schedule.  So far, the schedule has helped me get things done, but I’ve also been able to be flexible with it when necessary.

Finally, there have been two tremendous benefits so far with the creation of this site.  One, is connecting and reconnecting with people all across the country through Twitter and Facebook.  The other is immersing myself in the flow of great resources that are at our fingertips to help us become the people we were created to be.  There are countless great books, blogs, conferences, music, and videos to help us discover our purpose, passion, and possibilities that many of us are unaware of.  My reading list is full of great books I didn’t know existed before I started Chasing My Lion.  Sadly, I know two many people who aren’t plugged into any of these things.  They seem content to live life without pushing themselves to grow as Christians and leaders.  Sadly, many of them are good friends in ministry.

So, what about you?  What are you reading?  What are you chasing?

Currently Listening:

Currently Reading:

47637: Why So Many Gods? Why So Many Gods?
By Tim Baker

What do Madonna’s henna tattoos really mean? Is The Matrix more than just an action flick? Probing the meanings behind pop culture symbols, this hip guide to over 100 religions, cults, and worldviews will get your teens thinking about what they hear, see, and read—and help them choose God’s truth over the media’s mixed messages. 240 pages, softcover from Nelson.

Currently Watching:
Newspring church at Senior Pastor Perry Noble - NewSpring Church Video - NewSpring Church Video.

Posts I'm reading from Ed Stetzer to Ed Young

1.  Christian ads at the Super Bowl from Church Marketing Sucks.

2.  Churches using Facebook ads to draw in visitors from Church Crunch.

3.  A couple of great vids from Ed Stetzer on what a Missional Church is.

4.  Ed Young talks about being investigated by a reporter.  His response:  I have nothing to hide.

5.  Michael Hyatt talks about Zoecity which scans hundreds of Christian sites to give you the stories you want.

6.  How to keep Momentum going from Monday Morning Insight.

That’s bit of what I’m reading.  What captured your attention this week.

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